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FWSA 2025 Trip
Banff, Canada - Jan 25 - Feb 1, 2025

Join us in 2025 for a fantastic ski week in Banff, Canada!  Enjoy skiing at one of the "Big 3" resorts: Norquay, Sunshine, and Lake Louise.  San Diego Council will be staying at the Ptarmigan Inn in Banff.  The "base" price for the trip $1270 (w/o transportation) - double occupancy.

The fliers and registration packets for the 2025 FWSA trip to Banff, that can be downloaded as PDF or filled out online, are discussed below (Click on the Section Header to Download/Fill out the given document):

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2025 FWSA Banff Trip Registration Packet (PDF) | (Online/Electronic Version)

This document contains the standardized FWSA forms that all participants of the ski week must fill out and submit regardless of the ski club/council they belong to.  The registration packet includes liability releases, and asks participants to provide: their contact info, emergency contacts, and racing info (if applicable). Once the Registration Packet is downloaded, it can be filled out using Adobe Acrobat (or alternative PDF app),  and printed out so that one can "sign" the places on the form requiring a signature.  Next, one needs to provide data that unique to what the San Diego ski council is doing with regard to accommodations and transportation.. etc. (see below).

Online FWSA Registration and Electronic Signing - If one prefers to not deal with printing, physically signing and mailing in forms, one can elect to register electronically  - by clicking here.  The electronic registration page should appear in its own tab/window, with a form that looks a lot like the PDF form put out by the FWSA.  This electronic form supports electronic signatures using Adobe™ Signature technologies, by which the form is presented from Adobe's signature site, which will ask you accept their terms of electronic signatures, and affix a representation of where you would sign physically, using an touchpad to draw a representation of ones signature, or by typing ones name in using a cursive font.  After all required fields are specified, the form will be submitted AND Adobe will contact you by email , to confirm your agreeing to the terms of the contract you just signed.. You MUST acknowledge the confirmation email Adobe sends you to sign off on the document.  If you don't confirm, the form is not considered "signed".


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Supplementary SDCSC Specific Travel and Accommodation Data

The standard FWSA registration packet does not collect information with regard to transportation, and accommodations (which is different for each ski council).   This data is captured using ClubExpress  "Ad Hoc Query" form technology that appears as an online form, that one can fill out to specify their preferences.  This "form", will be referred to as the 2025 Supplementary SDCSC FWSA Online Form.  This online form supports the uploading of supporting documentation/files as well.   Note---  When one goes to open a ClubExpress form, ClubExpress will prompt for one's contact info either by asking for criteria to identify one's record on on file, or ask for one to specify their contact info.

If you are uncomfortable filling out the online ClubExpress form, you can provide the minimal travel and accommodation preferences by downloading the 2025 San Diego Council's FWSA Banff Trip Flyer (PDF), printing it out, and filling in the bottom part of flyer, and mailing it in with your other hard copy documents to the trip leader.


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SD Council Extracurricula Activities- (online LIVE AdHoc Query - Optional)

This ClubExpress "AdHoc Query" will be updated and changed as we get closer to date of the trip and even when we are on the trip.  It will be the way in which participants can put in their two cents as to what they wish to do as a Council, whether it is going out to happy hour or participating in bowling, curling etc.  Presently this Adhoc Query form is asking for opinions as to the restaurant's people are interested in going out to for the Council dinner.   The "form" also asks about whether you are interested in participating in the Council Costume races.  The results of this "Live" Query(s) - will be posted in the Blog Area at the bottom of this page.


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Payments - and Cancellation Policies

The policies and potential refunds are discussed in detail in the document "
2025 FWSA Cancellation Policy".   It should be pointed out that all payments for the FWSA trip need to be made by check, made out to SDCSC.   We are currently looking into other mechanisms for payments, but presently only paper checks are accepted.  The address where you should send your registration forms/checks to is provided on the the 2025 San Diego Council's FWSA Banff Trip Flyer (PDF), or on the 2025 Supplementary SDCSC FWSA Online Form page.

International Travel - and Passports - And Advance Custom Declaration

The FWSA Banff trips require you have a Passport whose expiration date is well within the dates of travel - we recommend that your passport expiration be after June 2025.   If you don't have a passport, or need to renew your passport, please see the following URL for info on the Passport Application/Renewal Process:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport.html

Currently the processing time is from 2 to 3 months for getting a passport so even if you are still considering the trip, you should apply for your passport ASAP, so you can sign up should you decide to go.

If you are one who travels frequently, you might consider one of the "Trusted Traveler Programs" which make it easy to get through customs..  These programs can cut your time in custom's by hours...  and cost from $50 to over $100 (most people get the Global Entry card).   Check the different programs at the following URL (if you are not currently enrolled):

https://ttp.dhs.gov/

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Canadian Advance Declaration

There are a few airports in Canada which allow you to pre-scan your travel docs and declarations PRIOR to getting to customs - so to save you time when you go through customs, and Calgary Airport  (where we are flying to) is one of them...    Most modern smart cell phones can run the "ArriveCAN" app available on the Playstore and on the Apple App Store.  The App is free.  To learn more about it see:  https://www.canada.ca/en/border-services-agency/services/arrivecan.html


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FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions)

The FAQs are broken down into a few basic categories  (listed below) and can be expanded to learn more about Banff, our hotel etc.
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Group Air, Baggage and Skis
Group Air, Baggage and Skis

Group Air:


There are currently 26 seats reserved for all people wishing to fly with "Group Air" out of San Diego on 1/25/2025 and returning on 2/1/2025. For those wishing to use "points" to pay for their airfare, but wish to use Group Ground Transportation between Calgary and Bannf, you need to book the same flights as we have reserved:

  • SD Council is currently booked on Westjet, to Calgary, Flight WS1565 leaving San Diego at 1:40 on 1/25/2025
  • The return flight is on Westjet too, from Calgary to San Diego, Flight WS1564, leaving Calgary at 10:30 AM.


If you are not taking "Group Air" and won't be on the Group Air flight, you will need to arrange your own transportation to Banff from Calgary Airport. There is no shortage of buses and shuttle companies... although Far West week will no doubt impact the availability - If you book early, you be able to assure yourself a seat on one of the shuttle services. If you are a senior citizen, make sure to ask about rates for seniors on these shuttles.. Cost last year ran about $65 to get a one way ride..


The Discussion that follows applies to those who sign up for Group Air.. If you book your own flights, even if the same flights as our "Group Ticket", you may not get the same "benefits". For example - People signing up for Group Air - get one free checked bag. Those booking themselves will not...


Luggage:


Those who partake in the Group Air Ticket, get one checked bag free and one carry-on. Additional bags will cost the going rate come 2025 (see WestJet Baggage guidelines at https://www.westjet.com/en-us/flights/fees#baggage). The WestJet baggage pages emphasize prepaying and registering your bags prior to coming to the Airport. This guidance does NOT apply to those signing up for "Group Air". People on the Group Air flight will need to specify their additional bags, and pay for them when they check in. This policy/guidance is subject to updates..


Please note on the Supplementary SDCSC web page, we will be asking you to specify what bags you expect to be bringing.. so we can give WestJet some idea of what to expect with regard to equipment that will be checked in..


Skis:


WestJet last year charged people for one bag, when bringing a pair of boots, and a ski bag which combined weighed 50lbs or less. This may change come next year when the trip occurs with the advent of ski bags that allow you to put your boots in your ski bag so they are physically one bag.. (that needs to weight 50 lbs).


Shipping Skis:


The cost of shipping skis via third party companies is now getting to be in the ball park of dragging the skis on the flight with you. The idea of shipping people's skis ahead of time via a ski shipment company so to make traveling simpler, and possibly cheaper was considered as an option. After some research, it turns out, in that we are traveling internationally - this is not trival and the bulk shipment of skis would require a representative show up at customs to get the bulk shipment through the border.. so if you want your own skis there - it looks like the best way to get them there is to take them with you...


Renting Skis:


There are a number of shops in Banff that rent ski and boarding equipment. Considering the cost of brining your own equipment ($150) RT, it may pay to simply take you boots with you and rent skis and poles... Discounts for rentals are still being negotiated.. but given the Exchange rate .. it is something you should consider... You can rent equipment for about $100 more for an entire week and save yourself lugging skis... and you get to demo new gear..



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Travel Restrictions and Suggestions
Travel Restrictions and Suggestions

Bringing Food


In that you are flying to a foreign country it is HIGHLY suggested you not bring any fruit and nuts unless in vacuum sealed containers or wrappers.  The hotel we will be staying at is really very close to one of the largest markets in Banff... (the size of a Vons), so getting food when there should not be an issue. Beware of bringing sandwiches which have any vegetables on them... I have had mine confiscated.


Exchanging Money


Banff is a big tourist destination, and as such, most places will accept US currency. There is also a Currency Conversion place in the Clock Town Village Mall (At the entry to the Mall you will see a sign. It is part of the Jewlery Store. Generally speaking it has been "cheaper" to convert US dollars to Canadian dollars in Canada. The only time I needed coinage in Banff was at the Laundromat. Most people simply use a credit card that doesn't charge transaction fees. NOTE: The local newspaper sometimes has an advertisement for the Currency Exchange place, that will waive the processing fee - so check the local papers if you plan on exchanging currency. Some of the local maps (given out in the lobby) also offer coupons saving you the processing fees associated with exchanging money.


IKON Pass


The IKON pass can be used at any of the three mountains in the Banff area for a total of 5 times, if you have the base pass, and up to 7 days if you have the Full IKON pass. None of the mountains are owned by Altera - so there are no discounts at the dining facilities at the mountains. That being said, many of the shops in Banff display a banner that says "IKON Welcome here"... and they will give you a discount (10/15 % depending upon the type of IKON pass you have)... In otherwords, when you go shopping - bring you IKON pass!


Emergency Services on the Mountain -


Like the US, the Canadian Ski Patrol (at least historically speaking), will provide first aid and get you off the slopes at no cost (other than a requested donation). Please note that depending upon your injury (if you are brought into the Ski Patrol clinic), they may insist you take a "cab" or Ambulance to the hospital... even if you think you can make it back to Banff on the bus... Furthermore, if this happens to your buddy - your buddy may not be able to accompany you to the Hospital and they may be asked to get to the Hospital via the Roam bus system...


Electrical Power


Canada uses the same type of outlets found in the US that provides 120v at 60 Hz..  (no different than the US).


Citizens Band Radio (CBs/Walkie Talkie Usage)


Generally speaking FRS Radios/Walkie Talkies can be used in Canada…but they have different restrictions on transmitter power and frequency limits.  You probably won’t get caught if you bring your Walkie Talkie with you… but if you want to know the fine differences check out the website: https://woofthebeatenpath.com/is-gmrs-legal-in-canada-and-can-i-use-my-radio-there/


Cellular Service -


Call your cellular provider to see the cost of making calls from Canada (Alberta); Make sure to note the plan because some providers offer different capabilities based upon the plan you are enrolled in, or a travel package you sign up for. For example, AT&T works in Banff National Park (which includes parts of most ski areas), and is included for free IF you are enrolled in an unlimited plan with ATT. Verizon plans are similar (you need to be in a plan that offers Mexico and Canada).  


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On the Mountain - Passes, Lockers, Dining and Tours
On the Mountain - Passes, Lockers, Dining and Tours

Maps and Apps, Mountain Tours, Ski Friends, and Ski School/Private Tours


The ski resorts in Canada do not make getting a physical map easy.. You won't usually find maps at the chairs and/or in the lodges. Some times they make you come into their "Guest Services" area or ask a guide directly... Instead of handing out maps.. the Canadian ski resorts display a QR Code on their trail maps signs, which when read by your smart phone will download a PDF map to your phone. The problem with this is that you may be conserving your battery in the cold, or you may not have a network connection (although some of the mountains actually provide WIFI on the hill). It is recommended that you actually download any maps you might need to your phones PRIOR to your leaving on this trip. The available maps and links to them are found on this trip page, in the left and right margins. In addition you should consider downloading the following Apps for the Big 3 Ski Resorts:


  • Sunshine Village Banff
  • SkiBig3


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Both Sunshine and Lake Louis offer a "Mountain Tour" or "Ski Friends"; Nordquay is too small of a mountain to offer a tour.


  • The Sunshine Mountain Tour is offered to once a day (in the Sunshine Village) at about 11:45 AM. To get to the Tour meeting place, you need to take the Sunshine Village Gondola so leave time to get to the Village if you plan on taking the tour. The tour's primary objective is to introduce you to the layout of Sunshine Village. The tour groups, depending upon number of people working that day, and the kinds of skiers wanting the tour, can be broken down by level of expertise. The SnowHosts, as they call themselve however will limit the tour to doing at most blue-black runs.


  • The Lake Louise "Tour" is actually run by an organization called "Ski Friends" based out of Canada (https://skifriends.ca), which are people who volunteer (in exchange for a lift pass) to take people of different capabilities to places at Lake Louise where they think the people will most enjoy to ski. They do NOT do a tour, per say... they go where the group votes to go. They DO limit the number of people that can join each group, so one shouldn't be late if you want to ski in one of their groups! The groups they form include Blacks and "Double Blacks" (although they won't take down a double black - they will point you at them and meet you below). This is one of the few places in the world where you can find the buddy to ski the runs you wouldn't do yourself.. It was great doing the deep powder trees with them. This is my main reason why I come back to ski Banff time again..


If you wish to take lessons (or sign up for a private tour) at the mountains out of Banff, and you don't want to use a credit card... make sure you have Canadian currency. Check with their ski school desks...


On the Mountain Dining:


Nordquay is an old fashion mountain... and at the Top of its North American Chair (which is close to 70 years old), is a bistro with an incredible view. and the chair's top features a building that some what resembles a castle (well it was last time I was there). It is currently being revamped and is scheduled for a major opening in 2026 so if it is open (the Bistro) - it is worth taking the chair up there, and checking out the view and the experience. Otherwise Nordquay has a cafeteria like feel to its lower dining facility bringing back memories of the days when we had leather boots.


Sunshine has a few places to eat on the mountain, but most of the dining experiences are out of the village at the top of its Gondola. They have a few sit down service restaurants up there, as well as ski in/out accommodations and a fireplace in the lobby (if you are really cold). Sunshine supports 3 sit down places for those who bring their own food... One is a tent like structure at the base of the village, and another real structure is out of Goat's Eye.


Lake Louise's dining facilities are both on mountain and at its very base. Lake Louise is very large, and there are a number of dining locations.. The base is basically split into two restaurants/pubs so make sure you coordinate with your friends into which half they are meeting, if they say they will meet down there.


Ski Lockers:


I believe most of the mountains have ski lockers for rent, but the locals don't appear to use the lockers. Instead Sunshine and Lake Louise have outdoor racks (cages) into which you can stuff your bags... You will see 100's of them. I suggest you take a backpack with you and some sort of lock to lock it onto one of the racks for storing your gear. It is very convenient and it seems to be what everyone does. It should be pointed out that Nordquay has always been family oriented, and many people simply stuff their bags under the chairs in the cafeteria area... (they are revamping the place - so we will see in the future). At Lake Louise, you will find the metal cages both on the side of the buildings where the buses pick you up and drop you off. If you are afraid your gear might get wet, the backside of the dining facilities offer the same kind of cages, but under the cover of a porch roof. At Sunshine Village - the bag cages are outside the main dining area in the Sunshine Village.


Ski Rentals:


We get favorable trade rates with Canada, so the price of renting gear there is not as high as here in the United States. If FWSA gets any discounts with regard to Rentals - we will post how to get them here..   As far as waxing and tuning goes... there are a number of shops in town, and there are good services available at both Sunshine (at Sunshine Village) and Lake Louise.


Heli-Skiing:


There is HeliSkiing available out of Banff. RK actually has an office in downtown Banff.. If you wish to do it, you can visit their web site and make a reservation: https://www.rkheliski.com/banff-heliskiing .  

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In and Around Town - Accomodations, Transportation, Hidden Gems
In and Around Town - Accomodations, Transportation, Hidden Gems

Hotel Rooms at the Ptarmigan -


San Diego Council participants will be staying at the Ptarmigan Inn. Details of the hotel can be found at: https://banffptarmiganinn.com/ . The hotel has hot tubs, a sauna, and a steam room (Hot tubs are open from 7am to 11pm) . It also has a restaurant that opens at 7am and serves breakfast until 10am. There are coffee shops nearby too. Check-in time is any time after 4pm - Checkout time is 11am. There is a parking structure - whose spots are available on a first come first serve basis. The Standard Rooms have a drip coffee maker and tea kettle (not the Keurig machines - in the photos - those are in their high-end rooms) , a Mini Fridge, a Flat Panel TV, a Clock Radio, Iron/Ironing Board (on request), and Hair Dryer. Rooms do NOT have a microwave, but there is a shared microwave in the lobby. Other Frequently asked questions whose answers are not found by Google..


  • Check-in requires a Credit Card and ID (Passport).. for ONE person in the room
  • Ski boots can be worn in the Hotel, Skis are NOT allowed in the rooms, Lockers in the ski locker-room are $10 each for the week (fits 2 skis or 1 snow board)
  • Tap water is drinkable (actually tastes good).
  • Ice/Vending Machines - not on site... IGA market is half a block away.
  • Fitness Center - They do have one - it is very small - An exercise bike and treadmill, There is not a place to stretch out, there are no rollers, or "balls"
  • Door Keys - They utilize RFID Key cards (which can be programmed on demand - everyone in the room can have one)
  • Wifi - Free Wifi is offered that is secured with a password (not an open network). Ethernet (wired internet) is NOT available in the rooms
  • Flat Screen TVs - These are NOT smart TVs (cannot "beam" to them). They do have an external HDMI port but you will need to bring an HDMI cable to use it
  • Each room should have a USB charging port
  • Ski Waxing Room - Yes there is a Ski Waxing Room - accessible with your room key.
  • Laundry - There is no on-site laundry equipment. Nearest coin operated laundry is in the Cascade Mall Coin Laundromat (1 block away).


Transportation in Banff (local and to the mountains)


There are two bus companies that operate out of Banff: Brewster and ROAM. The ROAM buses are the commuter buses, and provide transportation mostly within the confines of the town of Banff, although there are 2 lines that reach out to the ski areas. The ROAM buses are integrated with the Transit App so you can tell when they are scheduled to appear. This App is available for both Android phones and Apple iPhones. It is also the same App that can be used in Mammoth to track the busses service Mammoth Mountain. The ROAM buses are not free, but you can request a code for use with the ROAM buses, at the front desk at the Ptarmigan. If you find yourself out on the town, and without the code to ride free, the Transit App can be used to purchase tickets for the ROAM bus. People at the Ptarmigan will probably not need to take the ROAM buses, as our hotel is very very close to the very center of Banff. For details on the ROAM buses see "https://roamtransit.com/"


The second bus company operating out of Banff is called "Brewster Express". The Brewsters Coach lines is the company that runs the buses that go to the Ski Areas for "free" (are paid for my the ski areas). The Brewster coaches have "Luggage areas" beneath the buses in which all the skis will be stored, with the exception of the buses that run to Nordquay which more resembles a school bus (Nordquay is really close to Banff) with racks on its sides (Not sure Nordquay buses are Brewster buses). The time schedule for the Brewster Express will be posted as we get closer to the time of our trip. Last year the buses to Lake Louise and Sunshine ran about every 90 minutes, the trip taking about 45 minutes. The bus schedules last year were staggered so that if you missed one, you could choose to ski at another area, instead of waiting 90 minutes for the next bus to the given resort.. Please note that the Brewster buses do fill up... when they do, the drivers call for a backup bus... which can appear within 15-30 minutes if one is available... so don't be surprised to see people hiking with their ski gear to an earlier bus stop on the route if there is fresh powder to be had... to assure getting a seat on the first bus to the slope.. The Brewster coaches are heated, and you can wear your boots on the bus.. Please note where you get dropped off at the ski resort as your bus will pick you up at the same location... When it comes to returning back to Banff, be careful to get on the correct Banff bus! The buses returning to Banff don't have the same route once they get back to Banff. Make sure the bus you are getting on is going to the Ptarmigan (you should see signs listing the hotels being serviced on the "corrals" defining the line of people waiting to return to Banff). The buses returning to Banff appear to run much more frequently than the interval in which they leave from Banff to the resorts.. especially at the time the mountain is closing..


The two bus companies do NOT share the same location as their base of operation.. so beware if someone tells you they will meet you at the "bus station".. there are actually 2 different "Banff" central bus stations. When referring to the bus station, outside the bounds of Banff, the term "Banff Bus Station" usually means the "Brewster Transportation Centre" (which is a block away from the train station, just off Route 1). If you ask a Banff local where the Banff bus station is, many people will give you instructions to the Banff High School Transit Hub.. (downtown Banff on Banff Avenue).


Hidden Gems in Banff.


Banff itself has a lot of underground shopping. It does not look that big above ground, but if you go inside the malls you will find that some of the malls are quite large. There are also outlet stores, and discount shops. There is a "food court" below ground, in the Cascade Mall (https://cascadeshops.com/). This mall features a Columbia outlet, and the Laundromat. Address of the Mall is 317 Banff Ave... Our Hotel is 377 Banff Ave (right down the block). Looking for a good bargain on buying a snowboard or ski apparel - you need to check out the Rude Boys Snowboard Clearance Center... at 215 Banff Ave (underground) - Near the Helly Hansen outlet store.. The IGA Market (which has a large choice of Grab and Go items) is a half block behind the Ptarmigan and is open from 7am to 10pm. Banff has a lot of pubs and restaurants which offer pretty good happy hours.. Lastly you might check out one of the local hostels, as one has its own pub with great happy hour food AND you will find local residents advertising their wares and skills (like inexpensive ski tunes).


Local Media - When looking for what to do in Banff, make sure to checkout the "Rocky Mountain Outlook" (online at https://www.rmoutlook.com). This publication is a wealth of information listing every restaurant and links to their web sites, and lists all the events going on.


Need Cash? - Most banks in Canada feature ATMs. The closest bank/ATM to the Ptarmigan is ATB Financial, on the same block as the hotel... 24 Hour ATMs are also available with a block or two (downtown Banff). You will NOT find American Banks in Banff... but most banks and ATMs will accept American Debit cards. Address of the 24-hour ATMs:

  • RBC Royal Bank - 117 Banff Ave
  • TD Canada Trust - 210 Buffalo St


Cellular Service - If you need help with Cellular Service in Banff (and didn't buy into a US plan offering Canadian service), you can find it in the Cascade Mall at the "Source". They sell SIMS which you can insert into your phone by which you can access their local cellular networks (usually "Rogers" or "Telus" networks). Usually One month of service is $15.. with minimal "data". If you plan on using an "eSIM", you should purchase your "eSim" prior to leaving the US and make sure you load it PRIOR to leaving the US as you will need to do it via a WIFI network.


Cannabis - Bringing Cannabis across the border is not recommended - even though both US and Canada allow for its recreational use. Smoking it in the rooms is also not permitted. Cannibus stores are within a block or two of the Hotel, and close between 9pm and midnight (depending up which one you go to).



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